Comments on: Anyone Paying Attention to This Disgusting Nightmare in Tennessee? http://firedaily.com/2010/05/anyone-paying-attention-to-this-disgusting-nightmare-in-tennessee/ For Firefighters...By Firefighters Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: sven http://firedaily.com/2010/05/anyone-paying-attention-to-this-disgusting-nightmare-in-tennessee/comment-page-2/#comment-453 sven Tue, 25 May 2010 02:40:47 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=1683#comment-453 I dont know how many hours it was, but I needed 6 months of 8-hour saturday's and sundays for my FF1 and 2 before I could even ride the truck. I dont know how many hours it was, but I needed 6 months of 8-hour saturday's and sundays for my FF1 and 2 before I could even ride the truck.

]]> By: station 6 http://firedaily.com/2010/05/anyone-paying-attention-to-this-disgusting-nightmare-in-tennessee/comment-page-2/#comment-454 station 6 Tue, 25 May 2010 00:48:16 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=1683#comment-454 60 hours in bulloch county ga 60 hours in bulloch county ga

]]> By: sven http://firedaily.com/2010/05/anyone-paying-attention-to-this-disgusting-nightmare-in-tennessee/comment-page-2/#comment-400 sven Mon, 24 May 2010 22:40:47 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=1683#comment-400 I dont know how many hours it was, but I needed 6 months of 8-hour saturday's and sundays for my FF1 and 2 before I could even ride the truck. I dont know how many hours it was, but I needed 6 months of 8-hour saturday's and sundays for my FF1 and 2 before I could even ride the truck.

]]> By: station 6 http://firedaily.com/2010/05/anyone-paying-attention-to-this-disgusting-nightmare-in-tennessee/comment-page-1/#comment-399 station 6 Mon, 24 May 2010 20:48:16 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=1683#comment-399 60 hours in bulloch county ga 60 hours in bulloch county ga

]]> By: chief_800 http://firedaily.com/2010/05/anyone-paying-attention-to-this-disgusting-nightmare-in-tennessee/comment-page-1/#comment-398 chief_800 Mon, 24 May 2010 17:33:30 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=1683#comment-398 As a former chief for a volunteer fire department in central Missouri, I mandated that none of my volunteers could make entry into a burning structure without having completed and passed a 32 hour Missouri certified Basic Firefighter program. This is also a recommendation for all the departments within our county, as voted on by the County Fire Chiefs Association. My total budget was around $30,000 per year, yet I found the funds to pay for this training. The course cost us $20 per student, and in my opinion was money well spent. I cannot fathum how any chief or officer would knowingly send an untrained firefighter inside a burning structure. "On the job training" is what I was taught in 1977 St. Louis County. It was dangerous not only to myself, but to every other firefighter on scene. With more lawsuits being filed every day against fire departments, they are now targeting supervisory officers as well. If an officer sends an untrained firefighter into a scene, that officer may well be prosecuted for gross negligence, manslaughter or even murder. Anyone remember the line officer out west in a wildfire that resulted in firefighters deaths? The last I heard he had been charged with multiple counts manslaughter!! Are you and/or your board of directors really willing to face the possible injuries and/or deaths of your freinds and neighbors because you can't find $20 for training? I've heard all the excuses for not training... doesn't hold a candle to the day you have to knock on the door of a family member, friend or neighbor and look that wife or husband or kids in the eyes while you try to explain that their loved one won't be coming home. As a former chief for a volunteer fire department in central Missouri, I mandated that none of my volunteers could make entry into a burning structure without having completed and passed a 32 hour Missouri certified Basic Firefighter program. This is also a recommendation for all the departments within our county, as voted on by the County Fire Chiefs Association. My total budget was around $30,000 per year, yet I found the funds to pay for this training. The course cost us $20 per student, and in my opinion was money well spent. I cannot fathum how any chief or officer would knowingly send an untrained firefighter inside a burning structure. “On the job training” is what I was taught in 1977 St. Louis County. It was dangerous not only to myself, but to every other firefighter on scene. With more lawsuits being filed every day against fire departments, they are now targeting supervisory officers as well. If an officer sends an untrained firefighter into a scene, that officer may well be prosecuted for gross negligence, manslaughter or even murder. Anyone remember the line officer out west in a wildfire that resulted in firefighters deaths? The last I heard he had been charged with multiple counts manslaughter!! Are you and/or your board of directors really willing to face the possible injuries and/or deaths of your freinds and neighbors because you can't find $20 for training? I've heard all the excuses for not training… doesn't hold a candle to the day you have to knock on the door of a family member, friend or neighbor and look that wife or husband or kids in the eyes while you try to explain that their loved one won't be coming home.

]]> By: Safety Officer http://firedaily.com/2010/05/anyone-paying-attention-to-this-disgusting-nightmare-in-tennessee/comment-page-1/#comment-397 Safety Officer Mon, 24 May 2010 16:49:18 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=1683#comment-397 Where is Rep. John Litz, D-Morristown's head? I don't want a firefighter backing me up that has had only 16 hours of training, or one that has decided to take his life in his own hands...because he would also be taking my life in his hands. Someone should introduce Tenessee to NFPA 1001. Where is Rep. John Litz, D-Morristown's head? I don't want a firefighter backing me up that has had only 16 hours of training, or one that has decided to take his life in his own hands…because he would also be taking my life in his hands. Someone should introduce Tenessee to NFPA 1001.

]]> By: Around the Fire Web | Firegeezer http://firedaily.com/2010/05/anyone-paying-attention-to-this-disgusting-nightmare-in-tennessee/comment-page-1/#comment-396 Around the Fire Web | Firegeezer Mon, 24 May 2010 12:23:35 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=1683#comment-396 [...] *  John at Fire Daily is flustered over the progressive state of Tennessee’s reluctance to mandate a 16-hour training session for new volunteers before they start running into burning buildings.  Catch his commentary HERE. [...] [...] *  John at Fire Daily is flustered over the progressive state of Tennessee’s reluctance to mandate a 16-hour training session for new volunteers before they start running into burning buildings.  Catch his commentary HERE. [...]

]]> By: FireCap5 http://firedaily.com/2010/05/anyone-paying-attention-to-this-disgusting-nightmare-in-tennessee/comment-page-1/#comment-395 FireCap5 Sat, 22 May 2010 14:25:06 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=1683#comment-395 The minimum hours of training in my state used to be 24. Not to long ago, it was changed infinitaly for the better. We now do not count hours, it is based on proficiency and a writted and practical exam.<br><br>I came up during the "24" days, and can honestly say that the training I got was decent but not nearly enough. I have since continued to take classes, but did not have to.<br><br><br>As for this business of "we dont want to" I say tough. This is not many hours at all, and the "cost" can't be that bad. Get off your butts and train!<br><br>I won't even get into how this paints volunteers with a broad brush of bad P.R.!! The minimum hours of training in my state used to be 24. Not to long ago, it was changed infinitaly for the better. We now do not count hours, it is based on proficiency and a writted and practical exam.

I came up during the “24″ days, and can honestly say that the training I got was decent but not nearly enough. I have since continued to take classes, but did not have to.

As for this business of “we dont want to” I say tough. This is not many hours at all, and the “cost” can't be that bad. Get off your butts and train!

I won't even get into how this paints volunteers with a broad brush of bad P.R.!!

]]> By: Bob H http://firedaily.com/2010/05/anyone-paying-attention-to-this-disgusting-nightmare-in-tennessee/comment-page-1/#comment-394 Bob H Sat, 22 May 2010 00:21:24 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=1683#comment-394 A couple of "wrongful death" lawsuits will make the cost of 16 hours of class for 20-30 people seem like pocket change.. A couple of “wrongful death” lawsuits will make the cost of 16 hours of class for 20-30 people seem like pocket change..

]]> By: Fire Critic http://firedaily.com/2010/05/anyone-paying-attention-to-this-disgusting-nightmare-in-tennessee/comment-page-1/#comment-386 Fire Critic Fri, 21 May 2010 03:38:58 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=1683#comment-386 16 hours? I guess I will crawl out from under the rock I live under....You mean to tell me that prior to this it was mandated somewhere under 16 hours and they now have a problem with 16?<br><br>damn. 16 hours? I guess I will crawl out from under the rock I live under….You mean to tell me that prior to this it was mandated somewhere under 16 hours and they now have a problem with 16?

damn.

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