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	<title>Comments on: There. We admitted it. So what?</title>
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		<title>By: Ckemtp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ckemtp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, so I poked the FF&#039;s a bit and haven&#039;t gotten a response?</description>
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		<title>By: Ckemtp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ckemtp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, so I poked the FF&#039;s a bit and haven&#039;t gotten a response?</description>
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		<title>By: Ckemtp</title>
		<link>http://firedaily.com/2009/11/there-we-admitted-it-so-what/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ckemtp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, so I poked the FF&#039;s a bit and haven&#039;t gotten a response?</description>
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		<title>By: Ckemtp</title>
		<link>http://firedaily.com/2009/11/there-we-admitted-it-so-what/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Ckemtp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attention: Ckemtp is taking a probably unpopular stance here. Don&#039;t worry, Devil&#039;s Advocacy is my forte&#039;. I&#039;m just bringing ideas to the table, so before you flame me, remember I&#039;m wearing Nomex too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So what? You&#039;re telling me that there&#039;s NO fat in the budget of the fire department? You&#039;re telling me that it is the ONE organization that cannot shave some inefficiencies off? You&#039;re telling me that it is currently at OPTIMUM staffing and that the only thing that can be improved adding staff?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now I don&#039;t advocate cutting firefighters, really that was just a fiscal conservative spouting off about government agencies being bloated and inefficient as a rule. The fire department, as a government agency, isn&#039;t immune to that rule. Here&#039;s the reality, our economy is shot and local tax rolls have shrunk. Therefore, government has to cut something. If firefighters don&#039;t want to have staff cut, then something else has to give. Everyone has to make concessions to fit within the new reality. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So you&#039;re telling me that Firefighters and other public safety people can&#039;t be cut... well then, that&#039;s ok, give an alternative. Something&#039;s got to give. Milwaukee firefighters (through Milwaukee Co. Paramedics) already have a hold of EMS. I&#039;m not sure about Grand Rapids, but this isn&#039;t about them or their departments. This is my statement that there has to be a change to make the fire departments more efficient. You&#039;re the experts, find the solution and bring it to the table. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a government agency, you&#039;re responsible to the taxpayers, be responsible to them. It&#039;s not about you. Like every level of government, it&#039;s about your service. The politicians that you vilify are elected and will be voted out if they can&#039;t find the answer. Firefighters aren&#039;t directly responsible to the taxpayers through elections, but you are directly responsible to them inasmuch as you have a job working with the equipment, living in the stations, and being paid by the money that they own. &quot;Jamming Meetings&quot; to demand that no jobs are cut is dramatic... but it doesn&#039;t fix the underlying problem. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The money&#039;s not there, something&#039;s got to give. So, do you have another answer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attention: Ckemtp is taking a probably unpopular stance here. Don&#39;t worry, Devil&#39;s Advocacy is my forte&#39;. I&#39;m just bringing ideas to the table, so before you flame me, remember I&#39;m wearing Nomex too.</p>
<p>So what? You&#39;re telling me that there&#39;s NO fat in the budget of the fire department? You&#39;re telling me that it is the ONE organization that cannot shave some inefficiencies off? You&#39;re telling me that it is currently at OPTIMUM staffing and that the only thing that can be improved adding staff?</p>
<p>Now I don&#39;t advocate cutting firefighters, really that was just a fiscal conservative spouting off about government agencies being bloated and inefficient as a rule. The fire department, as a government agency, isn&#39;t immune to that rule. Here&#39;s the reality, our economy is shot and local tax rolls have shrunk. Therefore, government has to cut something. If firefighters don&#39;t want to have staff cut, then something else has to give. Everyone has to make concessions to fit within the new reality. </p>
<p>So you&#39;re telling me that Firefighters and other public safety people can&#39;t be cut&#8230; well then, that&#39;s ok, give an alternative. Something&#39;s got to give. Milwaukee firefighters (through Milwaukee Co. Paramedics) already have a hold of EMS. I&#39;m not sure about Grand Rapids, but this isn&#39;t about them or their departments. This is my statement that there has to be a change to make the fire departments more efficient. You&#39;re the experts, find the solution and bring it to the table. </p>
<p>As a government agency, you&#39;re responsible to the taxpayers, be responsible to them. It&#39;s not about you. Like every level of government, it&#39;s about your service. The politicians that you vilify are elected and will be voted out if they can&#39;t find the answer. Firefighters aren&#39;t directly responsible to the taxpayers through elections, but you are directly responsible to them inasmuch as you have a job working with the equipment, living in the stations, and being paid by the money that they own. &#8220;Jamming Meetings&#8221; to demand that no jobs are cut is dramatic&#8230; but it doesn&#39;t fix the underlying problem. </p>
<p>The money&#39;s not there, something&#39;s got to give. So, do you have another answer?</p>
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