http://firedaily.com/2009/11/if-we-do-what-weve-always-done-well-get-what-weve-always-gotten/ For Firefighters...By Firefighters Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:38:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 http://firedaily.com/2009/11/if-we-do-what-weve-always-done-well-get-what-weve-always-gotten/comment-page-1/#comment-510 Bill Carey Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:15:50 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=835#comment-510 I don't believe that NIOSH should "dumb down" the reports but maybe they should begin presenting them in way that attracts the reader. Instead of the uniform template, how about better promotion of the report with more (if available) multimedia and include excerpts of persons interviewed. They could even tailor the presentation of the reports by department demographics (rural, suburban, urban; volunteer, combination, career). This could lead to more detailed recommendations as opposed to having general recommendations that would fit any department. True, the recommendations do apply to every department, and should, but take the latest released from WVa. Nine out of 10 firefighters randomly asked would probably agree to not enter a working trailer fire without SCBA on and in use. How many of those nine though, would enter a private or multiple dwelling fire without masking up? Sure, it matters on the sizeup and/or SOP, but do we see the gray area, where what could be a rule for one department would be 'guideline' for another? TICs, a fact of life not everyone has one, but are we doing anything with these reports to change tactics if you don't have a TIC? Same applies to strategy and tactics; many departments operate with static SOPs figuring in good staffing and response. How many reports tell a department what they should be focusing on if they only have three people one the scene, for the first few minutes?<br>Maybe, like we saw with the Denver drill, some of our yearly HOTS and FDIC hands on training can recreate these fatal firegrounds and run students through, using varied staffing levels and equipment. That could certainly direct interest into a specific investigation report and help tailor it to specific departments. I don't believe that NIOSH should “dumb down” the reports but maybe they should begin presenting them in way that attracts the reader. Instead of the uniform template, how about better promotion of the report with more (if available) multimedia and include excerpts of persons interviewed. They could even tailor the presentation of the reports by department demographics (rural, suburban, urban; volunteer, combination, career). This could lead to more detailed recommendations as opposed to having general recommendations that would fit any department. True, the recommendations do apply to every department, and should, but take the latest released from WVa. Nine out of 10 firefighters randomly asked would probably agree to not enter a working trailer fire without SCBA on and in use. How many of those nine though, would enter a private or multiple dwelling fire without masking up? Sure, it matters on the sizeup and/or SOP, but do we see the gray area, where what could be a rule for one department would be 'guideline' for another? TICs, a fact of life not everyone has one, but are we doing anything with these reports to change tactics if you don't have a TIC? Same applies to strategy and tactics; many departments operate with static SOPs figuring in good staffing and response. How many reports tell a department what they should be focusing on if they only have three people one the scene, for the first few minutes?
Maybe, like we saw with the Denver drill, some of our yearly HOTS and FDIC hands on training can recreate these fatal firegrounds and run students through, using varied staffing levels and equipment. That could certainly direct interest into a specific investigation report and help tailor it to specific departments.

]]> http://firedaily.com/2009/11/if-we-do-what-weve-always-done-well-get-what-weve-always-gotten/comment-page-1/#comment-230 Bill Carey Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:15:50 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=835#comment-230 I don't believe that NIOSH should "dumb down" the reports but maybe they should begin presenting them in way that attracts the reader. Instead of the uniform template, how about better promotion of the report with more (if available) multimedia and include excerpts of persons interviewed. They could even tailor the presentation of the reports by department demographics (rural, suburban, urban; volunteer, combination, career). This could lead to more detailed recommendations as opposed to having general recommendations that would fit any department. True, the recommendations do apply to every department, and should, but take the latest released from WVa. Nine out of 10 firefighters randomly asked would probably agree to not enter a working trailer fire without SCBA on and in use. How many of those nine though, would enter a private or multiple dwelling fire without masking up? Sure, it matters on the sizeup and/or SOP, but do we see the gray area, where what could be a rule for one department would be 'guideline' for another? TICs, a fact of life not everyone has one, but are we doing anything with these reports to change tactics if you don't have a TIC? Same applies to strategy and tactics; many departments operate with static SOPs figuring in good staffing and response. How many reports tell a department what they should be focusing on if they only have three people one the scene, for the first few minutes?<br>Maybe, like we saw with the Denver drill, some of our yearly HOTS and FDIC hands on training can recreate these fatal firegrounds and run students through, using varied staffing levels and equipment. That could certainly direct interest into a specific investigation report and help tailor it to specific departments. I don't believe that NIOSH should “dumb down” the reports but maybe they should begin presenting them in way that attracts the reader. Instead of the uniform template, how about better promotion of the report with more (if available) multimedia and include excerpts of persons interviewed. They could even tailor the presentation of the reports by department demographics (rural, suburban, urban; volunteer, combination, career). This could lead to more detailed recommendations as opposed to having general recommendations that would fit any department. True, the recommendations do apply to every department, and should, but take the latest released from WVa. Nine out of 10 firefighters randomly asked would probably agree to not enter a working trailer fire without SCBA on and in use. How many of those nine though, would enter a private or multiple dwelling fire without masking up? Sure, it matters on the sizeup and/or SOP, but do we see the gray area, where what could be a rule for one department would be 'guideline' for another? TICs, a fact of life not everyone has one, but are we doing anything with these reports to change tactics if you don't have a TIC? Same applies to strategy and tactics; many departments operate with static SOPs figuring in good staffing and response. How many reports tell a department what they should be focusing on if they only have three people one the scene, for the first few minutes?
Maybe, like we saw with the Denver drill, some of our yearly HOTS and FDIC hands on training can recreate these fatal firegrounds and run students through, using varied staffing levels and equipment. That could certainly direct interest into a specific investigation report and help tailor it to specific departments.

]]> http://firedaily.com/2009/11/if-we-do-what-weve-always-done-well-get-what-weve-always-gotten/comment-page-1/#comment-122 Bill Carey Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:15:50 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=835#comment-122 I don't believe that NIOSH should "dumb down" the reports but maybe they should begin presenting them in way that attracts the reader. Instead of the uniform template, how about better promotion of the report with more (if available) multimedia and include excerpts of persons interviewed. They could even tailor the presentation of the reports by department demographics (rural, suburban, urban; volunteer, combination, career). This could lead to more detailed recommendations as opposed to having general recommendations that would fit any department. True, the recommendations do apply to every department, and should, but take the latest released from WVa. Nine out of 10 firefighters randomly asked would probably agree to not enter a working trailer fire without SCBA on and in use. How many of those nine though, would enter a private or multiple dwelling fire without masking up? Sure, it matters on the sizeup and/or SOP, but do we see the gray area, where what could be a rule for one department would be 'guideline' for another? TICs, a fact of life not everyone has one, but are we doing anything with these reports to change tactics if you don't have a TIC? Same applies to strategy and tactics; many departments operate with static SOPs figuring in good staffing and response. How many reports tell a department what they should be focusing on if they only have three people one the scene, for the first few minutes?<br>Maybe, like we saw with the Denver drill, some of our yearly HOTS and FDIC hands on training can recreate these fatal firegrounds and run students through, using varied staffing levels and equipment. That could certainly direct interest into a specific investigation report and help tailor it to specific departments. I don't believe that NIOSH should “dumb down” the reports but maybe they should begin presenting them in way that attracts the reader. Instead of the uniform template, how about better promotion of the report with more (if available) multimedia and include excerpts of persons interviewed. They could even tailor the presentation of the reports by department demographics (rural, suburban, urban; volunteer, combination, career). This could lead to more detailed recommendations as opposed to having general recommendations that would fit any department. True, the recommendations do apply to every department, and should, but take the latest released from WVa. Nine out of 10 firefighters randomly asked would probably agree to not enter a working trailer fire without SCBA on and in use. How many of those nine though, would enter a private or multiple dwelling fire without masking up? Sure, it matters on the sizeup and/or SOP, but do we see the gray area, where what could be a rule for one department would be 'guideline' for another? TICs, a fact of life not everyone has one, but are we doing anything with these reports to change tactics if you don't have a TIC? Same applies to strategy and tactics; many departments operate with static SOPs figuring in good staffing and response. How many reports tell a department what they should be focusing on if they only have three people one the scene, for the first few minutes?
Maybe, like we saw with the Denver drill, some of our yearly HOTS and FDIC hands on training can recreate these fatal firegrounds and run students through, using varied staffing levels and equipment. That could certainly direct interest into a specific investigation report and help tailor it to specific departments.

]]> http://firedaily.com/2009/11/if-we-do-what-weve-always-done-well-get-what-weve-always-gotten/comment-page-1/#comment-118 sj Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:04:05 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=835#comment-118 Excellent article.<br>Good to know I'm not the only one harping on this. Excellent article.
Good to know I'm not the only one harping on this.

]]> http://firedaily.com/2009/11/if-we-do-what-weve-always-done-well-get-what-weve-always-gotten/comment-page-1/#comment-119 sj Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:03:14 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=835#comment-119 Excellent article.<br>Good to know I'm not the only one harping on this! Excellent article.
Good to know I'm not the only one harping on this!

]]> http://firedaily.com/2009/11/if-we-do-what-weve-always-done-well-get-what-weve-always-gotten/comment-page-1/#comment-117 Around the Fire Web | Firegeezer Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:30:24 +0000 http://firedaily.com/?p=835#comment-117 [...] *  Fire Daily plucked 5 recent NIOSH reports at random and found nothing suprising…. except that people are ignoring good advice from NIOSH and choosing to continue dying.  Read his take on this situation HERE. [...] [...] *  Fire Daily plucked 5 recent NIOSH reports at random and found nothing suprising…. except that people are ignoring good advice from NIOSH and choosing to continue dying.  Read his take on this situation HERE. [...]

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